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Subjects Board / Annihilationism is taught in the bible
« Last post by CherubRam on January 29, 2026, 06:56:09 pm »
Annihilationism is taught in the bible

Annihilationism (also known as extinctionism or destructionism) is a belief that after the final judgment some human beings will be totally destroyed so as to not exist, or that their consciousness will be extinguished, rather than suffer everlasting torment in hell. Annihilationism is directly related to the doctrine of conditional immortality, the idea that a human soul is not immortal unless it is given eternal life by God.

Atheist claim they could never worship a God who is more evil than any person who lived, by torturing people in Hell for all eternity.



Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Genesis 3:3
but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
God never said they could not examine the fruit.

Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

The serpent’s doctrine is that there is eternal life in Hell.

Note: The word Hell is nowhere to be found in the original bible text.





Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction.

Deuteronomy 32:39
"See now that I myself am He! There is no God besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.

1 Samuel 2:6
"The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.

Proverbs 2:18
For her house leads down to death, and her paths to the death of spirits.

Proverbs 8:36
But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death."

Proverbs 11:19
The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death.

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.

Proverbs 23:14
Punish him with the rod and save his (soul / spirit) from death.

Psalm 56:13
For you have delivered me from death and my feet from stumbling, that I may walk before God in the light of life.

Psalm 118:18
The LORD has chastened me severely, but he has not given me over to death.

Hosea 13:14
"I will ransom them from the power of the grave ; I will redeem them from death. Where, O death, are your plagues? Where, O grave, is your destruction?

Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?'

Ezekiel 18:32
I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Ezekiel 18:23
I do not take any pleasure in the death of the wicked declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, I am pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

Matthew 16:28
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Mark 9:1
And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the kingdom of God come with power."

Luke 9:27
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death, but they will see the kingdom of God."

John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.

Hebrews 5:7
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Hebrews 6:1
Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,…

James 5:20
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades (Grave).

Revelation 6:8
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades (Grave) was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and Hades (grave) gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades (grave) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear them which can kill the body, but are not able to kill the (soul / spirit): but rather fear him which is able to destroy both (soul / spirit) and body in (hell / Gehenna.)

A soul consist of both body and spirit.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.

Job 27:8
For what hope have the godless when they are cut off, when God takes away their life?

The Serpent's doctrine is that there is eternal life in Hell, and that God is a liar, and that people will not surly die. [/font][/font]
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General Conversation / China Supplying Iran
« Last post by CherubRam on June 20, 2025, 02:40:17 pm »
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Subjects Board / Isaiah 24:20 comment
« Last post by CherubRam on June 12, 2025, 11:43:53 am »

Never to rise again.
Isaiah 24:20
The Earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls—never to rise again.

(the guilt of the rebellious, they shall fall—never to rise again.)
Yahwah created the Earth to be inhabited.

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from Pasha
Definition
transgression
NASB Translation
breach of trust (1), rebellion (6), rebellious (1), rebellious act (2), rebellious acts (2), transgression (37), transgressions (45).

Formed it to be inhabited.
Isaiah 45:18
For this is what (the Lord / Yahwah) says— he who created the heavens, he is (God / Elohiym;) he who fashioned and made the Earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: “I am (the Lord / Yahwah,) and there is no other.
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Subjects Board / Re: God Evolved
« Last post by CherubRam on May 17, 2025, 06:10:34 pm »
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Subjects Board / Re: Yahshua Was Created
« Last post by CherubRam on May 17, 2025, 06:10:10 pm »
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Subjects Board / God Evolved
« Last post by CherubRam on May 17, 2025, 05:44:17 pm »
God Evolved
Alpha First Beginning


Isaiah 44:6
“This is what the Lord says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

Revelation 1:8
“I am the (Alpha / First) and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

The proof that God exist is in the fact that spontaneous evolution of life is not possible in this universe. God evolved, then He created. From the Subatomic and the primordial Dark Matter. A type of nothing, because it has no atomic bonds to form anything. God created gravity and gravitons to form the atomic elements of this Universe.

Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."

Dark Matter is accepted by the mainstream scientific community. The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, on radiation, and on the large-scale structure of the universe. The presence of dark matter in the universe, including gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet Cluster, the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies and, more recently, the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background.

According to cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle.

The belief that God created from nothing comes from the Ramban comments on Genesis: www.sefaria.org/Ramban_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en&layout=lines&sidebarLang=all

Dark Matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter


The missing links are missing because life did not evolve in this Universe.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares (the LORD / Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.

The key is the word "formed." Absolutely anything that has no beginning does not exist. God says that He is the FIRST AND THE LAST. Therefore He Began. That is why His name means "Life Began."

Astronomers detect dark matter though the effect of its gravity on the path that light takes as it crosses the Universe. As light travels through a region of dark matter, its path gets distorted by gravity. Instead of taking a straight line, the light is bent back and forth depending on how much dark matter is passes through.

Astronomers can map out regions of dark matter in the sky just by looking at the distortions in the light, and then working backwards to figure out how much intervening dark matter would need to be there to cause it.

After the creation of the Universe the Earth was later created by God. Before there was a firmament it was a formless body of water. The bible does not state how much time had passed before the creation of the Earth.

God says that no god formed before Him. He also states that none will form after Him, meaning that the element to the forming is no longer available. The word "form" would not have been used if it were not a condition.
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Subjects Board / True Christian History
« Last post by CherubRam on May 17, 2025, 12:46:20 pm »
The True Christian History.

Preface.
The different historical articles here speaks of things that are normally kept secret in the Christian community.


According to history there were heated debates between the Pagans and the Christians. The Roman Empire was divided east from west and by Christians and Pagans. Constantine the Great was born 274 AD,and co- emperor of Rome by 306 AD. Constantine the Great was born Flavius Valerius Constantinus son of the commander Constantius Chlorus. Constantine fought his rivals for the throne, until he established himself as sole ruler in 324 AD.

As the story goes, Constantine was convinced that he needed divine intervention because he was out numbered. He was very much in need of Christian support. He claims that while he was praying for assistance, God sent him a vision of a cross of light at midday, bearing the inscription "in hoc signo vinces " ("in this sign you will be victorious.").He also said that the dream reaffirmed the earlier vision; saying, Christ appeared to him and told him to inscribe the first two letters of his name ( XP ) in Greek on the shields of his troops in 312 AD, jest before the battle against his rival Maxentius. Constantine also ordered his pagan soldiers to ride through a stream and then announced that they were now Christians.

Constantine later defeated Maxentius in Battle at the Milvian Bridge near Rome. From early in life Constantine was a sun worshiper believing that the Roman sun god, Sol, was a visible manifestation of an invisible god, who was the "Highest God." The sun god was thought to be a companion to Constantine, and his faith is evident in his claim of having had a vision of the sun god in 310 AD. Constantine who was a pagan sun worshiper, very likely associated Christ with the victorious sun god.

A year later after the battle with Maxentius, Constantine's co-emperor, Licinius, joined him in issuing the Edict of Milan in 313 AD, which mandated toleration of Christians in the Roman Empire. Shortly thereafter a struggle for power began between Licinius and Constantine, from which Constantine emerged as victor, in 324 AD. Constantine's defeat of emperor Licinius in the west, left Constantine's dominion over the east and the west.

Emperor Constantine retained his pagan high priest's title of Pontifex Maximus; even after his professed conversion to Christianity, and for a decade his coins continued to feature pagan gods. Pagan Christians began to assimilate various pagan ideas and images into Christianity, from sun-worship to the celebration of Christ's birth on December twenty-fifth, the birthday of the Sun. As a matter of fact, the church in Rome went so far as to tell these new pagan converts that their sun god was really Jesus the Christ. Early known art works depict Yahshua (Yahshua) as the sun god with sun rays beaming from his head. Pagan customs were Christianized, and the veneration of the Virgin Mary was stimulated by parallels in the pagan religion. Ephesus was the city of Artemis and some scholars believe that the worship of Artemis (A K A Diana) was transferred to Mary. People also associated Mary with Isis, the Egyptian goddess. Isis was also called "The Great Virgin", and "Mother of God."

Christians who believe power and protection is found in religious objects, are as superstitious as pagans!

Pretext for the following subject.
The meaning of the words Judaize and Judaizing : Out of ignorance the pagans did not discern a difference from God's laws and Moses laws.

The New Covenant includes the keeping of Gods commandments. Moses laws were the Levitical Priesthood laws that govern the feasts and sacrifices; and also the other laws that were added by the priest in addition to what was written. Paul said he was free from the law, but he also said he was not free from Gods Laws.

That statement made by Paul reveals that there are two sets of laws at work. In regards to Moses Law being (against us): New International Version; Colo 2:14. "having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was (against us,)": Deut 31:26. "Take this Book of the Law and place it (beside) the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God. There it will remain as a witness (against you.)" Moses laws were placed beside the ark, on the outside.

We are to continue keeping the commandment Laws of God that were placed (inside) the Ark of the Covenant. Gods Commandment laws have not been done away with. Mat 5:17-18. 1 Cor 9:21. Also " not free from Gods Law." in Ro 2:13. Ro 3:31.

Many Christians believe this verse is about Gods Commandments.: 2 Cor 3:7-14. But as a matter of fact, Joshua also "copied on stones the laws of Moses." Jos 8:32.


The first Christians were called "converts to Judaism," before they were called Christians. For a Christian to be guilty of Judaizing, they would have to be keeping the old Mosaic laws.

Constantine made this law saying “Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day (Sunday) they shall honor, and as being Christians shall if possible do no work on that day,. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”

Jews and Sabbath keeping Christians worship on the seventh day. The word Sabbath means seventh day and our scientist tell us that not one day has been lost; so we do know what day it is. The seven day week has remained consistent, regardless of the number of days in a year. God Himself wrote on stone saying;" remember the Sabbath to keep it holy." Yahshua and the disciples kept the Sabbath. (ALL) Christians kept the Sabbath until Constantine changed it. Constantine proclaimed himself head of the Christian church and was also the Pagan High Priest; he's the one who changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Satan was also called lord, and the Sunday Sabbath was also known as his day, the "Lords day," long before Yahshua was born into this world.

The sun disk is a symbolic symbol for Satan who was worshipped on Sunday by the pagans, as the lord, on the lords day Sunday. It was or is believed that Satan's powers are strongest on Sunday, and that is when most spells were cast.

The Catholic Church boast of its authority by saying that changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday is the "MARK of her authority". Again I say "MARK". As for me, the keeping of Gods commandments; including His Sabbath along with the testimony of Yahshua; to me that is Gods ((mark)) and ((seal)) of approval, and my ((crown)) of life. If Gods commandment laws could be changed than Christ would not have had to die. Christ was born into this world to reconcile man to God; not God to man. The Sunday Sabbath is the mark of the Catholic Church according to them, and claims She has the authority to change Gods time and laws. The Sunday Sabbath is the mark of that littlest nation in the world, called Vatican, the "little horn" and the "beast of the sea." The Sunday Sabbath is a command of man.

All churches have church history, but many exclude some facts. Keeping Gods seventh day Sabbath is important to God, Christ, and the disciples. All of the first Christians, including gentile Christians were unified in keeping the Sabbath, until Constantine changed it to Sunday to please the Pagans.

Many Christians were put to death because they would not keep the Sunday Sabbath. Over the many years past, people were encouraged not to buy, sale, or trade with those Christians who would not keep the Sunday Sabbath.

Many people were attracted to the Church of Rome because of the money and favored positions available to them from Constantine. Displaying pagan gods on coins and retaining his pagan high priest title "Pontifex Maximus" indicates that he never understood Christianity. He made December 25th, the birthday of the pagan Unconquered Sun god, the official holiday that is now, the birthday of Yahshua.

It is likely that he also instituted celebrating Easter and Lent based on Pagan holidays. Easter is the English word for Ishtar the goddess! There is also about a week’s difference in time between Easter and Christ's Resurrection.

Historical records show that Emperor Constantine was a criminal. He murdered his son Crispus, his nephew Licenius, and suffocated in a steam-bath his wife Fausta, the mother of his three sons. The public knew of his deeds, for it was not a concealed matter, and a plaque comparing his reign to that of Nero was placed on the palace gate. This same Constantine faked his conversion to Christ, because he did not want to offend his Pagan fellows, he waited until he lay on his death bed to be baptized, just in case there was indeed a judgment. He was baptized shortly before his death, on May 22, 337 AD. He is also the same person who decreed that Christians should rest on the same day as Pagans, on Sunday. Constantine was a man of sin and lawlessness who changed Gods time, the Saturday Sabbath which also resulted in the change of Gods commandment laws. Constantine was of a very low moral grade.

After Emperor Constantine the Great called for a council of bishops to settle the matter of the nature of Christ; it was declared that Yahshua was of the "same substance" as the Father. It was not determined who the Holy Spirit is at that time. Arius, who taught that Yahshua was a being created by God was branded a Gnostic and a heretic.

Gnosticism is derived from the Greek word gnosis ("revealed knowledge"). Gnostic sect’s beliefs diverged from the majority of Christians. The word was also used to imply that a person’s science or knowledge was false. Heresy is any religious doctrine opposed to the teaching of the Catholic Church, especially in the Roman Empire, heresy in Christianity became a crime against the state supported church.

In those days it was a common practice for rulers to make false allegations to discredit a person. Arius was banished to the remote provinces of Illyricum. Emperor Constantine issued letters denouncing Arius, and he ordered that anyone found with a copy of his writings must burn it or be put to death. Constantine’s Son took over as emperor after his father’s death; he was a follower of Arius and his teaching. And his sister was also a supporter of Arius, she asked her brother to restore Arius only three years after the councils ruling.

After Arius was restored to favor he was treated by the court with the respect which would have been due an innocent man. His faith was approved by the synod of Jerusalem; and the emperor issued a royal command that Arius should receive the Holy Communion in the Cathedral of Constantinople.

On the same day which had been set for him, Arius died suddenly under strange circumstances. The opponents of Arius said that God had answered their prayers and saved the church from the worst of her enemies. Three leaders of the Catholics were, Athanasius of Alexandria, Eustathius of Antioch, and Paul of Constantinople; they were accused by a number of councils and afterwards banished to distant provinces. The people were left to choose what they wanted to believe in regards to the death of Arius, be it miracle or poisoning.

In following years the Pagan Christians continued to struggle against the Judaeo Christians, until finally the Arians were overthrown. The religious and political controversy caused widespread bloodshed and killing.

Basilius, also known as Basil, he was the bishop of Caesarea. In the later 3rd century AD, he formulated ideas as to what the Holy Spirit is. This was in reaction to Arius who was his enemy doctrinally. Basil and others such as Gregory of Nazianzus and Gregory of Nyssa were encouraged to develop ideas to combat Arianism. The person who encouraged them was Athanasius who hated Arianism and wanted it stopped.

In 381 AD, the Emperor Theodosius (a Trinitarian) convened a council in Constantinople. Only Trinitarian bishops were invited to attend, and they voted to alter the Nicene Creed to include the Holy Spirit as a part of the Godhead. The Trinity doctrine was now official for both the church and state. Dissident bishops were excommunicated and expelled from the church. The Nicene Creed is a proclamation of faith used by many Christian denominations to this very day.

The Pagan Christians had prevailed, and the truth was thrown to the ground. Over the many years the Judaeo Christians were hunted down and murdered by the Pagan Christians until almost none were left alive.

The seventh ecumenical council was the second to take place in Nicaea in 787. It was convened by the Byzantine empress Irene who ruled on the use of saints, images and icons in religious devotions. The council declared that the veneration of images was "legitimate" and the intercession of saints "efficacious," but their veneration must be distinguished from the worship of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

In an Antwerp edition of The Extravangantes, 1584, column 153, the pope is given the title "Dominum Denum nostrum Pagam" ("our Lord God, the pope").
The word pope means (Father,) and the Popes name title "Vicarius Filii Dei" means, Vicar of God and adds up to 666 in roman numerals.

History of the Trinitarian doctrine.

The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics: In regards to Matthew 28:19, it says:" It is the central piece of evidence for the traditional (Trinitarian) view. If it were undisputed, this would, of course, be decisive, but its trustworthiness is impugned on grounds of textual criticism, literary criticism and historical criticism".

Edmund Schlink, The Doctrine of Baptism, page 28: "The baptismal command in its Matthew 28:19 form can not be the historical origin of Christian baptism. At the very least, it must be assumed that the text has been transmitted in a form changed by the [Catholic] church."

The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, I, 275: "It is often affirmed that the words in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost are not the exact words of Jesus, but a later liturgical addition."

The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."

Hastings Dictionary of the Bible 1963, page 1015: "The Trinity is not demonstrable by logic or by Scriptural proofs, The term Trias was first used by Theophilus of Antioch in (AD 180), (The term Trinity) is not found in Scripture." "The chief Trinitarian text in the New Testament is the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19. This late post-resurrection saying, is not found in any other Gospel or anywhere else in the New Testament, it has been viewed by some scholars as an interpolation into Matthew. It has also been pointed out that the idea of making disciples is continued in teaching them, so that the intervening reference to baptism with its Trinitarian formula was perhaps a later insertion. Eusebius's text ("in my name" rather than in the name of the Trinity) has had certain advocates. (Although the Trinitarian formula is now found in the modern-day book of Matthew), this does not guarantee its source in the historical teaching of Jesus. It is doubtless better to view the (Trinitarian) formula as derived from early (Catholic) Christian, perhaps Syrian or Palestinian, baptismal usage (cf. Didache 7:1-4), and as a brief summary of the (Catholic) Church's teaching about God, Christ, and the Spirit."

The Schaff Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge: "Jesus, however, cannot have given his disciples this Trinitarian order of baptism after His resurrection; for the New Testament knows only one baptism in the name of Jesus. (Acts. 2:38; 8:16; 10:43; 19:5, Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3; 1 Cor. 1:13-15), which still occurs even in the second and third centuries, while the Trinitarian formula occurs only in Matt. 28:19, and then only again in the Didache 7:1 and Justin, Apol. 1:61. Finally the distinctly liturgical character of the formula is strange; it was not the way of Jesus to make such formulas. The formal authenticity of Matt. 28:19 must be disputed." page 435.

The Jerusalem Bible, a scholarly Catholic work, states: "It may be that this formula, (Triune Matthew 28:19) so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned, is a reflection of the (Man-made) liturgical usage established later in the primitive (Catholic) community. It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptizing "in the name of Jesus."

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. 4, page 2637, Under "Baptism," says: "Matthew 28:19 in particular only canonizes a later ecclesiastical situation, that its universalism is contrary to the facts of early Christian history, and its Trinitarian formula is foreign to the mouth of Jesus."

New Revised Standard Version: In regards to Matthew 28:19. "Modern critics claim this formula is falsely ascribed to Jesus and that it represents later (Catholic) church tradition, for nowhere in the book of Acts (or any other book of the Bible) is baptism performed with the name of the Trinity."

James Moffett's New Testament Translation: In a footnote on page 64 about Matthew 28:19 he makes this statement: "It may be that this (Trinitarian) formula, so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned, is a reflection of the (Catholic) liturgical usage established later in the primitive (Catholic) community. It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptizing "in the name of Jesus." Acts 1:5.

Tom Harpur, former Religion Editor of the Toronto Star. In his "For Christ's sake," page 103. He informs us of these facts: "All but the most conservative scholars agree that at least the latter part of this command [Triune part of Matthew 28:19] was inserted later. The formula occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, and we know from the evidence available that the earliest Church did not baptize people using these words ("in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost") baptism was "into" or "in" the name of Jesus alone. It is argued that the verse originally read "baptizing them in My Name" and then was changed to work in the [later Catholic Trinitarian] dogma. In fact, the first view put forward by German critical scholars as well as the Unitarians in the nineteenth century, was stated as the accepted position of mainline scholarship as long ago as 1919, when Peake's commentary was first published. "The Church of the first days (AD 33) did not observe this world-wide (Trinitarian) commandment; even if they knew it. The command to baptize into the threefold [Trinity] name is a late doctrinal addition."

The Bible Commentary 1919 page 723: Dr. Peake makes it clear that: "The command to baptize into the threefold name is a late doctrinal addition. Instead of the words baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost we should probably read simply-"into My Name."

Theology of the New Testament: By R. Bultmann, 1951. Page 133 under Kerygma of the Hellenistic Church and the Sacraments. The historical fact that the verse Matthew 28:19 was altered is openly confessed to very plainly. "As to the rite of baptism, it was normally consummated as a bath in which the one receiving baptism completely submerged, and if possible in flowing water as the allusions of Acts 8:36, Heb. 10:22, Barn. 11:11 permit us to gather, and as Didache. 7:1-3 specifically says. According to the last passage, (the apocryphal Catholic Didache) suffices in case of the need if water is three times poured on the head. The one baptizing names over the one being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." later changed to the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit."

Doctrine and Practice in the Early Church: By Dr. Stuart G. Hall 1992, pages 20 and 21. Professor Stuart G. Hall was the former Chair of Ecclesiastical History at King's College, London England. Dr. Hall makes the factual statement that Catholic Trinitarian Baptism was not the original form of Christian Baptism, rather the original was Jesus name baptism. "In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," although those words were not used, as they later are, as a formula. Not all baptisms fitted this rule." Dr Hall further, states: "More common and perhaps more ancient was the simple, "In the name of the Lord Jesus or, Jesus Christ." This practice was known among Marcionites and Orthodox; it is certainly the subject of controversy in Rome and Africa about 254, as the anonymous tract De rebaptismate ("On rebaptism") shows."

The Catholic University of America in Washington, D. C. 1923, New Testament Studies Number 5: The Lord's Command To Baptize a Historical Critical Investigation. By Bernard Henry Cuneo. Page 27. "The passages in Acts and the Letters of St. Paul. These passages seem to point to the earliest form as baptism in the name of the Lord." Also we find. "Is it possible to reconcile these facts with the belief that Christ commanded his disciples to baptize in the trine form! Had Christ given such a command, it is urged the Apostolic Church would have followed him, and we should have some trace of this obedience in the New Testament. No such trace can be found. The only explanation of this silence, according to the anti-traditional view, is this the short christological (Jesus Name) formula was (the) original, and the longer trine formula was a later development."

A History of the Christian Church: by Williston Walker, former Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Yale University 1953. On page 95 we see the historical facts again declared. "With the early disciples generally baptism was "in the name of Jesus Christ." There is no mention of baptism in the name of the Trinity in the New Testament, except in the command attributed to Christ in Matthew 28:19. That text is early, (but not the original) however. It underlies the Apostles' Creed, and the practice recorded (or interpolated) in the Teaching, (or the Didache) and by Justin. The Christian leaders of the third century retained the recognition of the earlier form, and, in Rome at least, baptism in the name of Christ was deemed valid, if irregular, certainly from the time of Bishop Stephen (254 -257)."

"The Demonstratio Evangelica" by Eusebius. Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea. On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. According to this eyewitness of an unaltered Book of Matthew that could have been the original book or the first copy of the original of Matthew. Eusebius informs us of Yahshua’s actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things what so ever I have commanded you."

Here's more information on the trinity doctrine.

Timothy, keep what has been committed to your trust, avoid profane and vain babblings, and oppose so called false sciences. (1 Tim 6:20)

The "so called false science." is the opposition to Jewish Gnosticism (science is"gnosis" in the Greek, esoteric knowledge/wisdom).Gnosticism is the "profane and vain babblings" the Church had to combat.

The Jewish Encyclopedia says: "The principal elements of Gnosticism were derived from Jewish speculation." The Jewish Encyclopedia also states that: "It is a noteworthy fact that heads of Gnostic schools and founders of Gnostic systems are designated as Jews by the early Church fathers."

The Roman Catholic Church with its philosophy of a hidden God who should be approached through intermediaries such as saints and angels is the same distinctive doctrine of the Kabbalah. The angel that the Kabbalists call Metatron, is the female god of the Kabbalah, which they call the "shekhinah", it has emerged into Catholic theology as Mary. The Catholic Church also absorbed the asceticism of the Gnostics into a system of celibacy for monks, priests and nuns.

Albert Pike, a high prophet of Freemasonry, spoke on the origin of Trinitarianism. In his secret book "Morals and Dogma" he says of the Kabbalist "Jews were the direct precursors of Gnosticism," their Kabbalist doctrine is derived from their captivity while in Babylon.
Philo of Alexandria was a Jew who played a key role in the development of the Trinitarian theory. Pike says, he was a Kabbalist "a initiate of the mysteries."

Philo introduced the idea of trinity to the Hellenistic Jews of Alexandria.
Philo did not equate the three members as a trinity. He wrote that "the middle person of the three," was Yahwah, the Father of the Universe, who is uncreated and unbegotten. God, the Father of the Universe was accompanied by two "body-guards": the creative power and the royal power. And God being greater than them.

The Jewish Encyclopedia: "We are forced to conclude that the Pharisees introduced an element of confusion into Christian theology which we still have not emerged from."

Note: The Pharisees during Jesus time were Masonic like Kabbalists; they were the Hellenistic Jews and the enemies of Yahshua. About 167 years prior to the birth of Christ, the Hellenistic Jews forced the temple priest and the true believers from Jerusalem, to go live in the desert. While the Hellenist supplanted themselves as the true believers, the real people of God formed a community at the Dead Sea; and latter became known as the Essenes. The Essenes were the people who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls and possibly The Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch was accepted as inspired by God by the disciples and the first Christians. It was in use until about 700. AD; at about that time the Catholic Church abolished its use. There are a number of Gnostic versions of the Book of Enoch; the true version is the one edited by R H Charles. Oxford: BOOK OF ENOCH: ISBN 0-281-01261-x The Clarendon Press. Although The Book of Enoch literally states that it is a parable, scholars still refer to it as pseudo (pretend) Enoch. The true author is not known.

Polycarp, Clement, and Ignatius were the students of the original Disciples. They lived at the turn of the century, before and after 100 AD. They did not mention a trinity or give a description of a trinity in all their writings. It was not until the second century AD that the idea of a trinity began to take shape in the Christian community. A Gnostic named Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus, also known as Tertullian, he was the first to introduce trinitarism into Christianity. He was the first person to formulate the idea of one substance having three persons.

New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967 Edition, Vol. 13, p.1021. The first use of the Latin word "trinitas" (trinity) with reference to God, is found in Tertullian's writings (about 213 AD) He was the first to use the term "persons" (plural) in a Trinitarian context.

Origen considered the Son to be not coequal, but derived from the Father whom is the Holy Spirit. Arius would also adopt the idea of the Son as being derivative of the Father in the third century AD. This eventually lead to a major crisis in the Counsel of Nicea. Arius who had many followers taught that Christ was a created being, created by the Father. PS Arians were the followers of Arius.

The creed that came out of the Counsel of Nicea in 325 AD did not conclude that there was a trinity. It simply proclaimed the divinity of Christ, rejecting Arianism. There was no resolution on who the Holy Spirit is. That issue would arise again in the Counsel of Constantinople in 381 AD.

How the Trinity Doctrine Entered Christianity

God commanded, "You will not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name." (Exodus 20:7. NRSV) Because of this command the translators of the Septuagint, did not transliterate the name (Yahwah) into Greek. They believed that the transliteration would have been a misuse of God's name. Instead, they translated it as "Kyrios," which in English is the word Lord. So therefore, the word Lord / Kyrios, became the name of Yahwah in Greek. It was a common title for masters or men of authority. Also, the New Testament writers also applied it to Jesus. In the end, Jesus and God shared the same name: Lord / Kyrios.

In the early 4th century, Lactantius (born 240 AD died 320 A.D.) wrote: "He (Jesus) taught that God is one (person) and that He (the Father) alone ought to be adored, nor did he (Jesus) ever call himself God." Lactantius did not recognize a Trinity. He emphasized that Jesus is an "improperly called god," and must not be worshipped as (Yahwah) who is God.

Wrong interpretations and the distortion of God’s word is what supports the doctrine of the trinity.

When asked, "Which is the most important commandment of all?" Jesus answered, "The most important of all the commandments is, hear, o Israel, the Lord our God is One." (Mark 12:29)

That is what we find throughout the scriptures:

"Beside me there is no God." (Isa. 44:6)

"I am God, and there is none else; there is no God beside me." (Isa. 45:5)

"I am God, and there is none else." (Isa. 46:9)

"One God and Father of all, who is above all." (Eph. 4:6)

"Hear, o Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." (Deut. 6.4)

"There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (1 Tim. 2:5)

"There is but one God, the Father, whom made all things, and us by Himself , and one lord Jesus Christ, by whom we are in. (1 Cor. 8:6)

"This is life eternal, that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." (John 17:3.) This last quotation is Jesus speaking; addressing God in prayer as the one true God, and speaking of himself as separate from that one true God.

Yahwah our Father is the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is one of God’s many name titles.

"Cast me not away from your presence; and take not your Holy Spirit from me" (Psalms 51:11).

Moses received the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 63:11).

Christ was filled with the Holy Spirit (Luke 4:1). Was he filled with another person inside his body? No. He was filled by the presence of God.

"He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me; Upon whom you shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he, which baptizes with the Holy Spirit" (John 1:33).

So here we see a change. People are now given the opportunity to receive the Holy Spirit at baptism. This now means more people (not just prophets and patriarchs) would receive the Holy Spirit.

"And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:4). Peter told the people at Jerusalem about Jesus being crucified and they responded by asking what they should do. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38).

Was Peter telling them they could receive a person into their body? No.


Many have came in Christ name saying that they are Christian, but few are the chosen elect.
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Subjects Board / Attention Christians
« Last post by CherubRam on May 17, 2025, 12:39:52 pm »
Attention Christians

What you are taught depends on what congregation you are with.

It is your responsibility to learn the truth.

It is wise to hear ALL sides of an issue, and not just what you want to hear.

Remember this, there is no perfect congregation, because there is no perfect man.
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Subjects Board / Yahshua Was Created
« Last post by CherubRam on May 17, 2025, 12:15:54 pm »
Christ is a created being according to the bible

Proverbs 8:23
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
Christ was formed in the beginning of creation by Yahwah.

Christ Pre-existed.
John 6:41
At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”

John 6:42
They said, “Is this not Yahshua, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’ ?”

John 8:42
Yahshua said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.

John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Yahshua answered, “before Abraham was born, I existed!”

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

John 17:5
5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

John 17:24
“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.







Proverbs 8
1 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
4 “To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
6 Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
7 My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
8 All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
9 To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
10 Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold,
11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
I possess knowledge and discretion.
(See Isaiah 11:2.)

13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
14 Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have insight, I have power.
15 By me kings reign
and rulers issue decrees that are just;
16 by me princes govern,
and nobles—all who rule on earth.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
18 With me are riches and honor,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
19 My fruit is better than fine gold;
what I yield surpasses choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
along the paths of justice,
21 bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.
22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,

at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.
32 “Now then, my children, listen to me;
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not disregard it.
34 Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
35 For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord.

36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.”


"Messiah of Aaron and Israel." Priest and nation, Knowledge and wisdom.
Dead Sea Scrolls:
The Damascus Rule.#6. "But God remembered the Covenant with the forefathers, and He raised from Aaron men of discernment and from Israel men of wisdom,"


The Community Rule (1QS) D.S.S. #9. "until there shall come the prophet and Messiah of Aaron and Israel".

Aaron and Israel: Aaron was the high priest of the nation Israel.


Yahshua is the Messiah of Aaron and Israel.
Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD...

Luke 2:40-47. 40. And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him. 47. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.

1Cor 1:30. It is because of him that you are in Messiah Yahshua, who has become for us wisdom from God...

Colossians 2
1I want you to know how much I am struggling for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD -



Yahshua said:
John 5:44
How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?


Yahshua said:

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.


Christ had no Father until Yahwah adopted him.


Beginning of days without end of life.

This is how it should read:

Hebrews 7:3
Without father or mother, without genealogy, beginning of days without end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.


Yahshua was created by Yahwah our Father.

Proverbs 8:23
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
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